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Independence and Dependence

Relationships are always a tricky balance of compromise and one of the more thorny subjects for me is social independence. Whilst of course it’s essential that you can go out and have fun as a couple and with your friends, I also think it’s crucial to have some social life outside the relationship.

The French Ex would have been delighted if we never saw anyone but each other ever again. I felt suffocated by this endless togetherness and missed my friends and my independence.

About once a month (after protracted painful negotiations) I was allowed out with the girls and I felt liberated. We talked rot, drank wine and laughed. The flip side was that he felt vulnerable and threatened by me doing so. All the reassurance in the world couldn’t convince him that a) I was faithful and b) there are few things less attractive to men than a group of loud, pissed women telling raucous stories. Inevitably, my desire for independence won and we split up.

English Ex was the opposite - to my great delight he was not only happy for me to continue seeing my friends, but encouraged it. He too had lots of friends, parties and things to do. We pursued our (mostly independent) social lives with single-minded singleton vigour, and though we lived together, we only saw each other at a party over the weekend and then on Monday or Tuesday evenings, both tired and slightly grumpy. Inevitably (isn’t hindsight a wonderful thing? It didn’t seem inevitable at the time), we lost our way. An excess of independence took over from our sense of inter-dependence, of being a team, of being together.

Perhaps my striving for independence is related to my unintentional commitment-phobia and my dislike of feeling vulnerable and exposed. Maybe.

Tall Tom and I are trying to strike a careful balance. He works so hard during the week that social life is out and at weekends also wants to see his friends. Part of me thinks it’ll be easier when we get to the stage of being able to mix seeing friends with seeing each other, but then I remember that that’s the mistake I made with English Ex. Dedicated time together is essential. So diary management, unromantic as it sounds, seems like the way forward at the moment. Oh, and a lot of cycling - he lives on the far side of London to me.

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  1. Cat
    Comment by Cat | 2008/01/27 at 14:25:54

    I know so many women who totally forget about themselves and their friends when they start a new relationship that it frightens me. Sometimes it’s easy to get so wrapped up in someone and become an instant “we” and forget there’s an “I” at all - I received a Christmas card from a friend and her new boyfriend this year after they’d been dating three weeks, and I’ve still never met him! Maybe that’s because these people genuinely know that they have met “The One” and don’t need anyone else, but all too often it doesn’t work out that way and they end up desperately trying to salvage their old friendships.

    I think it’s great to strike a balance, even though it might be tricky. (Mind you, I have issues around commitment and giving up my independence, so what do I know?)

  2. Boy
    Comment by Boy | 2008/01/27 at 15:15:28

    It is a very VERY difficult mix to get right, but it’s essential to do it. I always go for controlling women, so end up neglecting friends. It’s quite funny, since splitting with Lady a lot of people have been admitting they weren’t a big fan of her, because it meant I had neglected a lot of friendships.

  3. Comment by Bloke | 2008/01/27 at 15:19:07

    “He works so hard during the week that social life is out”

    That doesn’t sound very good at all - I’d be worried at someone who can’t / won’t even make time to see their friends in the week. Life’s not all about work work work.

  4. Comment by peach | 2008/01/27 at 17:06:16

    boring isn’t it, but you’re right, it comes down to diary management, I just had a conversation vis a vis this with my boy… just about communicating what to do when and with who. glad you’re not with french geeze anymore, he sounds insufferable… tom sounds cool !

  5. Comment by Time Traveller | 2008/01/27 at 19:50:37

    Good post - interesting subject.

    Sometimes the lines get blurred don’t they? A guy that:

    Lets you do your own thing - independant and trusting - or doesn’t care.
    Wants to live in your pocket - insecure and suspicious - or just wants to be with you.

    I think with the right person it just works and you find a way without any effort.

    The diary sounds like a good plan - however if you’re meant to be you’ll find a way without realising it. It’s early days yet and it’s good you’ve given it some thought without just jumping in. Good luck.

  6. Comment by Kenzie | 2008/01/27 at 20:53:48

    Good post, this is actually one of the three I actually read in my Google Reader today.
    I hate when my friends get into a relationship and basically fall off the face of the earth. So I really agree with this. Good luck, I really hope this works out for you. :)

  7. Comment by London-Lass | 2008/01/27 at 21:32:30

    Yep .. it’s definitely all to do with striking that happy medium .. and as someone very wise said earlier if TT is the right guy for you it will all slot in to place anyway. And, just think, with all that cycling you’ll have calf muscles TT could crack walnuts with. So good news all round.

  8. Comment by WalesGirl | 2008/01/27 at 21:41:18

    It IS difficult to get the balance right, don’t over-analyse it, plan carefully, and enjoy the time that you have together - but don’t build your expectations up too much - some of your dates will just be normal as invariably the grind of daily life will get in the way sometimes. But that is what makes an enduring relationship - two people who get on well, have a giggle and do fun things together, but can equally just ‘be’.

    Go for it honey, and enjoy!

    At least your legs and bum will be ultra-firm….!

  9. Comment by KennethSF | 2008/01/27 at 22:29:18

    It’s a paradox, isn’t it? You need to retain you independence to remain happy in couple-dom. And you need to devote a fair amount of time coupling to make sure you don’t grow apart. It’s sort of like walking on a tightrope.

  10. Comment by KaBtalk | 2008/01/28 at 08:04:04

    I reckon you’re on the right track…good for you! As long as Tall Tom makes the effort as well…it’s not only about your diary management!

    Remember that girlfriend!

  11. Comment by Ginny | 2008/01/28 at 14:09:52

    I hate it when people suddenly lose all sense of themselves when they get into a new relationship…The French Ex would have scared the hell out of me, frankly.

    You seem to be on a good track for striking the right balance, though. And think of how nice your bum and legs will be with all that cycling ;-)

  12. hb
    Comment by hb | 2008/01/28 at 21:41:38

    Balance is difficult, but so worth it in the end.

    I’m right there too, trying to maintain that right balance for both of us- me and the sizzle man. I had a French Ex in college and recently an English Ex. argh. too bad it can’t be easy. ;-)

  13. Comment by corp lady | 2008/01/29 at 04:10:59

    I think everyone is striving for the balance, and when you do find that someone, that’s it! Only if that’s so easy. Maybe when you and the English Ex lived together, that made it more prone to want to go separate ways since you saw each other all the time.

    Imagine what a married life is like, thankfully, I’m not there yet! Cheers to singlehood.

  14. Comment by Make mine a merlot | 2008/01/29 at 15:10:29

    So when do you think you get to meet the friends? Could be a make or break situation….what if you don’t like them? Has he told you about any of them? Don’t fall too far LG - see him in his environment first, place him in context - and sure you can socialise too much (cf. English ex) but as you say diary management is key. I would echo Bloke’s comment though. Is he seriously working sooooo hard during the week he can’t even do a dinner date with either you or friends so he is keeping some social life ticking over during the week. Seems a bit strange to be ruling out any social life during the week. My other half does a handsome job keeping me in Merlot as a corporate partner at a law firm and has often had occasion to sleep in the office (seriously - they even keep beds there for that purpose - for which I once popped in for a conjugal visit during a particularly strenuous deal when he had said he felt like he was in prison so I took him at his word but less of that here!) but he has never ruled out seeing people during the week completely in some kind of blanket rule as it appears TT has. Is there any room to manoeuvre for week dates for either you or TT’s friends? That would certainly help with the diary management. Also are you sure you are both on the same page regarding it actually being a relationship? Counting up, you’ve had what 4, maybe 5 dates now? Have you talked about exclusivity, not dating other people and most importantly neither of you being on internet dating sites (Mr Merlot is also an internet dating find…and boy did we struggle with the weaning oneself off the dating site issue once we’d hooked up). Love reading your blog LG, think you’re a top girl and don’t want to seem pessimistic and obviously we only know what you tell us but just don’t want to see you get hurt. And with the commitmentphobe issue, I have had accusations of that in the past and I never thought it was true - I just hadn’t found anyone I wanted to commit to. Don’t commit just in order to prove to yourself you are not a commitmentphobe in some kind of double bluff - that’s just what a commitmentphone would do (wierd logic I know but I think it makes sense!). Okay…you’ll be glad to know my Claire Rayner moment is now officially over!

  15. Jo
    Comment by Jo | 2008/01/29 at 16:24:04

    Getting the balance right is so important. Me and the boyfriend seem to strike it just right, with a few mutual friends meaning we can do both some weekends.

  16. Comment by DiehardPessimist | 2008/01/29 at 17:20:08

    This is when you discover that all of his friends are stuffed and that he talks to flowers.

  17. Comment by Annie | 2008/01/29 at 18:50:23

    It will all work out fine, you both seem to be on the same wavelength. I can understand the weekday social life, being kinda the same myself. And better that you are both comfortable to be talking about it than avoiding the issue and worrying

  18. Comment by LondonGirl | 2008/01/29 at 22:52:24

    Cat. I agree – I know lots of girls who seem to lose their sense of self once they meet a bloke – terrifying. But striking a balance is indeed tricky.
    Boy. Neglecting friends is always a bad idea – but you know that!
    Bloke – well he works away all week. And his new year’s resolution is to work less, so he’s definitely going in the right direction.
    Peach. Yep, Frenchman was hard work. Good in some ways, sure, but ooooof.
    TimeTraveller. You’re absolutely right about blurring of lines – it’s hard for me to admire someone and yet not find them distant – and enjoy having them close but not too close (like the PINK song – “Leave me alone”)
    Kenzie. Thanks.
    Londonlass. Well that’s the theory. I am eating more chocolate to compensate for the cycling though…
    Walesgirl. Ain’t that the truth. Sunday night dates are unlikely to ever be rock and roll… but yes, bum should get firmer. In theory. (see above re exhaustion & chocolate)
    KennethSF. Crikey. True. But scary.
    KaBtalk. He does make the effort – it seems to be pretty good from both sides.
    Ginny. The Frenchman did his trick very gradually – it was a lot of mind games. Clever!
    HB. Well good luck to you too. Hopefully.
    CorpLady. Well English Ex and I hardly saw each other – 6 hours a night, asleep, but apart from that…
    MakeMineAMerlot. Thank you for all the advice – tis really appreciated. The work thing is just that, work – he is away all week. So that’s out. As for exclusivity,we’ve had a chat about that and agreed we are only seeing each other (assuming he’s telling the truth, of course). I am not on any internet dating sites. I haven’t asked him about that – but I’d assume as he’s not seeing anyone else that he’d not be emailing anyone else (or maybe that’s a naïve assumption?). And I do think you’re right about the commitment thing – I try so hard tomake things work because I find it hard to (if that makes sense) that I’m focussing on whether I CAN make it work, not on whether I WANT to. Humn.
    Jo. Lucky you. I will introduce him to friends at some point – just not sure when. And anyway, he already knows my sisters so has an advantage on me!
    DiehardPessimist. Quite possibly.
    Annie. True. Fingers crossed.

  19. Comment by Britneyblogger | 2008/02/08 at 14:59:09

    I’m always one for good advice myself, so I was wondering if anyone had any for me? . I was wondering if any of you had seen any decent single sites out there? I have been looking for activities that don’t cost an arm and a leg? I have been searching the web and I’ve been on several sites looking for local events. The only one I was able to find is http://www.singlesinmotion.com does anyone know of any other?


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